[brydeemer]

Love it or hate it?

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Bry

[inflames01]

Man that was a shitty ending to the show. It made the entire show seem completly useless and pointless. I would recomend people to NOT se this show at all. This made me so freakin angry and mad. I used to love Lost but now i hate it with a great passion. Fuck Lost!

[mguy1977]

I enjoyed greatly LOST including the final episode. The best 10 weeks of tv watching ever from season 1 to season 6. It was a quick but enjoyable ride! Hurley rocks!!!

Matthew

This post has been edited by mguy1977: 25 May 2010 - 01:58 PM

[bamfbamf]

what was the point of widmore returning? what was he trying to do?

what was the point of the others? why were they on the island?

the whole dharma iniative seemed kind of pointless too...

i'm glad it was a happy ending... but sooo many questions unanswered

[Peter]

Keep in mind this is the talkback thread for the episode. If it's just general LOST chat, there are other threads for that. Thanks!

[abuddah]

The point of the show, inflames01, is up for interpretation. However Damon Lindelof did offer up this last transmission before the finale:

"All I can say is that, you know, from all of us that made the show we really hope that you don't feel that it was a waste of your time and we hope that you spent the entire night not just thinking about what happened in the finale on a story level but you were emotionally effected by it. We tried....there are two feelings you feel when you watch the end of a television show. The first is the feeling that you have of just understanding that the show is over. And the second is your response to actually what's happening on the screen and what I liked about the Sopranos finale was that it changed the experience because when Chase (David) cut to black suddenly that feeling of "the show's over" was replaced by "is my cable out??". He changed the conversation about it. So for us, we tried to write the last 2 1/2 hours of the show that those two feeling would feel like they were the same thing. So your feeling to saying goodbye to the show - of the show not being around anymore was actually literally paralleling what we were showing you on the screen so... if you had an experience anything like that, um, then it's "mission accomplished" and if you didn't, then, we blew it and I apologize"

The end to this show affected me on a personal level much like the one he describes. The show asked the men of science to take a leap and the men of faith to maybe not make that really long jump. It also pointed out that mystery and genre shows are fun, but in the end its the people you experience joy and tragedy in life with. They are what really matters.

I'm sorry Bryan Deemer can't let go.

[inflames01]

But there is nothing to interperate. The ending made every thing about this show become pointless and useless. I have been watching this show for 6 years and there was no point or anything useful about this show. I am glad a only have the first season on dvd and have been downloading the rest, because i would never ever want to spend money on shit like this.

[mguy1977]

Bry's "Lost reveal" is oddly similar to Jamie D.'s "DMZ reveal" something both geeks just cant wrap their heads around. I am not saying either geek is wrong. Just as everyone has the moment where something has gone too far or a twist that goes beyond of what they were thinking about something from the start to the end that takes a sharp left turn on you when you were planning on making a smooth or maybe a slightly bumpy right turn instead that you had planned on in your own mind as a reader/viewer on a journey. Life as with art is full of surprises along the way.

Matthew

This post has been edited by mguy1977: 25 May 2010 - 03:45 PM

[max headroom]

Not everyone has to like the ending of the show. It's art. It's subjective. Let's discuss it, but let's not get personal.

But I do disagree on Deemer and others on knowing how things worked or what exactly the island was - the island was the MacGuffin - it was needed to move the characters forward and it was a damn cool MacGuffin. I cared more about the characters ultimately.

Thought Peter made some good points balancing this out.

[bamfbamf]

LOST: "ULTIMATE LIST OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomWspUS8B0

[David D.]

But there is nothing to interperate. The ending made every thing about this show become pointless and useless. I have been watching this show for 6 years and there was no point or anything useful about this show. I am glad a only have the first season on dvd and have been downloading the rest, because i would never ever want to spend money on shit like this.

I don't accept the idea that a final 2.5 hours can retroactively take away the entertainment that you already consumed in the prior 100+ hours of entertainment. You were disappointed in the ending, and that was fair, but all the time you spent enjoying it before the ending let you down, if you want to use a comic geek term (why not? Right?) and use the Booster Gold lingo, is "solidified time". No matter how let down you were by the ending, the time you spent on the journey, if you enjoyed it, meant you were entertained. So their batting average, as far as hours they kept you interested and entertained vs. hours that they made you mad, is not so bad.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be disappointed if you didn't like the ending, of course you do, but I don't accept that an ending you don't like magically makes you unlike all the hours you liked. You may now view them a different way, but back when you watched, there was clearly enough week to week entertaining you and keeping you interested that you bothered to keep watching.

This post has been edited by David D.: 25 May 2010 - 03:26 PM

[bamfbamf]

Keep in mind this is the talkback thread for the episode. If it's just general LOST chat, there are other threads for that. Thanks!

my bad... i will take my questions to the other thread

listening to episode now!!!

[inflames01]

To me personaly the ending made the 120 hours of watching this show mean nothing and have no point or purpose what so ever. To me it instatly became 120 hours of my life wasted and "lost". But that is my opinion and other people loved the ending and thats fine, but for me it ruined the entire show and made a big waste of time.

[David D.]

To me personaly the ending made the 120 hours of watching this show mean nothing and have no point or purpose what so ever. To me it instatly became 120 hours of my life wasted and "lost". But that is my opinion and other people loved the ending and thats fine, but for me it ruined the entire show and made a big waste of time.

I hear what you are saying and, not to get too philosophical (but it is a Lost thread, right?) but those 120 hours of experience are what you experienced. Your perspective on them, and attitude towards those hours has changed, but that does not actually change the fact that, when you spent time on this show, say this time last year, you were trading your time for entertainment.

If I go a restaurant for 120 good meals, and then they serve me a stinker, the reality that those prior meals were tasty, and digested well, and have become a part of me is not actually undone by the most recent meal they served you.

[mguy1977]

I hear what you are saying and, not to get too philosophical (but it is a Lost thread, right?) but those 120 hours of experience are what you experienced. Your perspective on them, and attitude towards those hours has changed, but that does not actually change the fact that, when you spent time on this show, say this time last year, you were trading your time for entertainment.

If I go a restaurant for 120 good meals, and then they serve me a stinker, the reality that those prior meals were tasty, and digested well, and have become a part of me is not actually undone by the most recent meal they served you.

Quoting David for spreading the wisdom in the best analogy possible. Karma to you David.

Matthew

[abuddah]

re: Bryan's comments on MIB
The MAN in black was indeed a curious individual who challenged authority and yearned for answers. However whatever came out of that cave is not human. He told Alpert that Jacob "took away his humanity". Since then, the smoke monster has deceived and murdered countless individuals for a goal that is unattainable because There is no home for an entity like this other than the island.

[Lance Kizer]

Well, first off I pretty much agree with Bryan's arguments. If the show was about Jack's finding meaning and redemtions in his life, then we could pretty much dump about 3 seasons worth of the middle of the story. I have a lot of questions - not every - but several I wanted answers to. To answer Matt's what mystery bothered me the most was; Why was so much made about Walt and his special ability. I think this was the major "Island Question" for 2 seasons. I won't go into a point by point argument but I was very disappointed how this all ended.

Since then, the smoke monster has deceived and murdered countless individuals for a goal that is unattainable because There is no home for an entity like this other than the island.

I got to say, Jacob wasn't to innocent with the murder toll either. How many "innocents' died in that plane crash to bring his candidates to the island?

[bamfbamf]

everyone cares about the characters... otherwise we would not be watching... but im sure the majority of the viewers care more about the SITUATIONS the characters are in... and WHY they are in these situations...

[Paul]

Personally, I loved it. Anyone's viewing experience is a personal thing, based on who they are, how they like to interpret things and how they set their expectations, so I'm not going to try to convince anyone that hated this that they're wrong, because they aren't.

The difference in opinions is exactly why I'm really enjoying this episode this afternoon! Some really great discussion, and a wide array of viewpoints.

I do remember thinking as those last 10 minutes rolled, "Man. Bryan's going to hate this!" I fully expected to hear the sound of his head exploding all the way from Reading when the last fade to black hit.

[abuddah]

Re: Bryan: How did they (US, Dahrma) find the island?
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Rock_ledger
It eventually came to be owned by Tovard Hanso.
Tovard is a relative of both Magnus Hanso, the owner of the Black Rock, and Alvar Hanso, CEO of the Hanso Group and founder of the Hanso Foundation.
Among other projects, the Foundation also financed the DHARMA Initiative.