[brydeemer]

The series has ended. What did you think?

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Bry

[Marty Devine]

Just started listening, good news about Mr. Weeks.

Since the cupboard in our kitchen is already FULL of glassware, I use my Super Show glass to hold brushes on my art desk.
I'll be using the glass this year to hold markers.

[atomic99]

Not terrible but average.
The fans ideas tend to be better than what we've been getting with event books.
Rushed in story and art.
Not terrible but not Hitch's best work.
The Skull vs. Steve fight in the mind went much too quickly.
The Giant Skull was a little contrived (although could have been cool).
The series could have fit easily into the regular book.

Yeah, it seems everyone hit on these things and I agree completely. By breaking it out of the regular series, the fans expect something a little more special and, with the story, it was a little pedestrian (if not a little confusing at times with the time thing, the elaborate plan by the Skull, the disappearing corpse, Sharon's unusual blood). It certainly wasn't terrible and a dud but this wasn't Bru's best either. Pretty standard stuff that crawled along the first few issues and then got rushed in the last issue. The premise for what happened to Steve and how to bring him back was half-baked at best, LOST and Slaughterhouse 5 or not.

I do disagree with Titan Together's suggestion about what if Sharon died? They already did that during 1979's Grand Director story line and Mark Waid took some effort to bring her back in the 1990s so I don't think it would have the same impact.

And yes, I think I've stopped guessing about all the cool things they could do with these events since SECRET INVASION since we just set ourselves up for a fall. I felt that things are a little wishy-washy on who will wield the shield since we all know Steve will eventually get it. No return of Steve with a post-WWII memory loss as some suggested. No Skull trapped inside Steve. No hints of Steve or Buck as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. or the Sharon baby yet either. WIELD and REBORN really solved nothing and it will be up to the regular series to tell those stories if they go there.

Sin's new development and the hint of a possible future were a little interesting. As some have suggested, seems like the old Guardian's timeline or perhaps this is the big event after Siege that really ushers in the Heroic Age? Either way, one of the problems with these glimpses of heroes in the future is that the writer needs to stick around for the long haul to tell that story or, as what usually happens, it gets forgotten for awhile until another creative team picks up on it only to have it dismissed as an alternate timeline. Will this and the baby be stories told or red herrings swept under the rug whenever Bru chooses to depart and a new team comes in?

[Chris Campbell]

I felt the issue was a 7 out of 10. I actually liked the giant Red Skull. The future scenes were intriguing, but will any of those teases actually come to pass in Brubaker's run? I'm just excited for the regular series to pick back up. And how much will Siege affect the regular Cap title?

But more imporantly...LEE WEEKS! Does anyone know if he's thinking about taking any preorder commissions?

[DarkKnightJared]

Whoa! what happened with this review guys?

Murd mentions its in a kinda off mike conersation about spidey but no one real coments on the future scene? that wasn't a dream cap had been moving through time and he saw the future. i wrecked new york, a defeated Winter Soldier (not Bucky Cap in that Panel) a Defeated Thor (without his Hammer) and what looked like someone holding his hammer in shadow in the background.

You guys wanted your twist ending there it is! Something is coming, None of that was spoilt in the other earlier released books

Also there really wasn't delays on this book (maybe a month in total which an't bad these days) they added an extra issue. thats why it took longer to come out

The Reason Who will Wield the shield came out when it did was money pure and simple, they didn't plan on an extra book and when they did, they weren't going to move one of the highest ordered books into the next Buisness Quater in what was already a fairly average quater for them

as for Hitchs art, his biggest problem was that it wasn't Ultimates that everyone compares him to, but if you remeber it took him Months to do every issue of that book because he would re draw pages over and over again till he got them perfect, here he gave us Extra Sized issues on a fairly consistent release. you bet the quality is going to differ

to me this was another great story in an already fantastic run

By the by Lenny kinda spoils Ultimate Avengers so anyone reading this before listening to the episode be careful if your waiting for the trade on that one

And Jamie might be right in Fall of the Hulks may be a good Event to look at next but lets be honest the marvel event on everyones Tongues will be "Deadpool Corp" baby!. And lets not forget in relation to this episode, "Who will Not Wield the Shield" one shot starring Comic book super star "Deadpool"

Sorry if i came off a little harsh, it was a greatly entertaining episode as usual even if i think you missed a major discussion point of the book. keep up the great work guys

I have to agree with Deadpool here--it felt like a very huge oversight to call this an "average issue that did nothing" without even talking about the glipse into the future that will probably be lead up to what's going to happen within the next year or so of Captain America as a book, if not the whole of the Marvel Universe.

[mguy1977]

Cap Reborn #6 was a conclusion to a miniseries but w/o the "I must read more feeling" afterwords & the Who will Wield the Shield one shot was absolutely pointless in my opinion because I have no interest in the Siege miniseries by the end. So this is the end of Captain America for me until the next Cap Omnibus in 2011 or 2012 because I am not popping out 4 bucks an issue for just 22 pages of main story & art w/ a backup of Nomad that I have zero interest in either. So in conclusion, Captain America #25 got me into the series & this miniseries that is overpriced & delayed w/ the added issues at the end trick got me out completely. A 4 out of 5 for #6 & a 2 out of 5 for the lackluster one shot.

Matthew

[m-batz]

You guys wanted your twist ending there it is! Something is coming, None of that was spoilt in the other earlier released books

Yep. Perhaps an EVIL Sentry:)

[rebis]

It may have been one of the Geeks during the podcast for #5 that said the reason for the extra issue was because Hitch had done all these great pages and Marvel wanted to reward him, and capitalize on the extra pages by extending the series an issue.

This was the great art?

meh.

Now, I will agree that bad Hitch is better then about 80% of what's being offered. However, Hitch set the bar high with the previous issues and just didn't give us the same quality on the last. I would imagine that even he isn't all that happy with #6.

[Peter]

It may have been one of the Geeks during the podcast for #5 that said the reason for the extra issue was because Hitch had done all these great pages and Marvel wanted to reward him, and capitalize on the extra pages by extending the series an issue.

The info was given by me in an email since I wasn't on the ep - but it was interpreted incorrectly on the episode. In an interview, Brubaker said he would given Hitch a script for a 22 or so page comic, but Hitch would ask or the artwork would come back with extended scenes of art pushing the issue/series to more pages. So it wasn't that they wanted to reward him, they had to make it one issue longer because the story was being extended by the artist.

[ctowner1]

By the by Lenny kinda spoils Ultimate Avengers so anyone reading this before listening to the episode be careful if your waiting for the trade on that one

ooh! Sorry! I didn't think of that b/c that's a 4 months or so old comic. (although if you're a waiting for the trade kind of person, hopefully you won't be listening to this podcast before the Cap Reborn trade comes out, which, hopefully, is before the Ult. Avengers trade!)

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[Jason Aiken]

Pants you are gutting it out man, way to battle through it!

You got in your "52!" paid the price and battled through it all just to get in that reference. Way to go!

Great episode.... from what I have seen of Steve in New Avengers... he's wearing an outfit that kind of resembles the pulp hero Richard Henry Benson... The Avenger.....



They should call him that...... I mean for legal reasons they can't put that on the cover but... he is THE Avenger in the Marvel Universe.

[rebis]

The info was given by me in an email since I wasn't on the ep - but it was interpreted incorrectly on the episode. In an interview, Brubaker said he would given Hitch a script for a 22 or so page comic, but Hitch would ask or the artwork would come back with extended scenes of art pushing the issue/series to more pages. So it wasn't that they wanted to reward him, they had to make it one issue longer because the story was being extended by the artist.

Thanks Peter!

[rebis]

Just a couple more quick points.

Regarding Steve's visions. I don't remember who wrote it, but they were correct. For one of those visions to actually happen would require that Bru stay with the title and that editorial doesn't change. That's a couple of big ifs considering comics revolving door.
And, someone thought it odd that Steve would be standing around wearing the Cap uniform (Siege #1). Think about it. If it's just a drawing of an angry blond white guy that could be 75% of the 616. Unless he's got a Wal-Mart name tag saying, "Hello, My Name is Steve" it's difficult to know who it is. Hell, Pants might have thought it was Barry Allen.

This post has been edited by rebis: 03 February 2010 - 06:22 AM

[rebis]

Keep in mind for the length of brubakers run it has been one of the marvels flagship books and editorial have let him tell his story fine this way, plus editoral would have seen the vision and discussed it with bru about where his taking it. and brubaker is still commited to this title for a very long time

That's true. Bru has proven to be commited to the title and, one would think that editorial would be behind him. However, I'm sure JMS had editorial assurances, too. Now, Bru doesn't seem to be as sensitive to editorial changes as JMS. I just don't think that one can put as much faith in the stability of the editorial side of the equation.
Also, I don't think the success of an event can be determined by some fuzzy threat. An event has to be judged by what actually happened with the event.

[rebis]

I would challenge the Idea that JMS had as much editorial control as Brubaker, JMS new about siege just as much a Brubaker did so Brubaker works his story around that, Brubaker worked Civil War into Death of Cap one of the best selling comics of recent times. I think Bru has alot more clout about cap then JMS did with Thor and the fact we have seen the vision is a good sign its already been approved by the editor

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. There's just no way I'm calling rebirth a success because of a possible War of the Worlds story arc that might happen. Or, because Steve and Sharon might live happily ever after.