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just stop it a plea to stop milking trends

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 05:19 PM

i'm just venting my frustration on some trends, if you like what i hate, good for you, i still like you happystrange.png i'm not trying to start a flame war, i just don't have any true geek friends, so i have nobody to talk to. feel free to add your own furstration.

-zombies: i admit i like some zombie stuff, left 4 dead, zombieland, shaun of the dead, walking dead. but please, another romero zombie movie, jesus kills zombie, zombie survival guide... at least they can't turn it into some thing that will make teenage girl wet like...

-vampires: once, vampires were creature of the night, alone, in big castles lost in europe. now they are the new face of teenage angst, rejecting their elder's way. when did they become families and started hanging out in groups. oh, and since when did werewolves became such an important part of their world (that one might have always been the case, i don't know). vampire diaries, true blood and of course twilight should be shot in front of a squad.

-mega events: i don't read, or barely read, DC and Marvel anymore. why? because i want to enjoy my stories, not having to hunt 5 other spin-off that are linked to the main one. and they never end. she-hulk was fun at one time, right until the series got caught in the main marvel event of the time.

-hospital shows: 2 new shows this year. did we really need those. we already had house, scrubs (it's coming back), grey's anatomy. oh, they're all different, of course. one is about the nurses, the other is about a copter pilot. so what, in the end, they deal with the same crap: ''oooh i can't get a decent boyfriend'' or ''i don't what he has, oh wait, i got it''.

-frak: STOP using this curse word, the show is not even that good.

-console gaming: this is killing the pc gaming experience. noe, everything is dumbed down for controller. i remember a space flight game where almost every key on the keyboard were used. not all game should be that way of course. FPS is the genre that is getting hit the most. no more quick save, linear storyline, almost half the number of enemies we used to have.

-reference: nowadays you can't read a comic book, or watch a tv show and not have a thousand reference to other pop culture stuff. some things are made for that, and that's fine, but this is getting out of hand. maybe i don't watch the right tv show or read the right comic books. this is worse in the comedy genre. i can't remember when i laugh just because it was a good joke, not because i got the reference and went ''oh, that is so true''. i admit to be the first to watch family guy and south park.


anyway, that's just me, feel free to agree or disagree with me. but please, don't hate me for what i'm tired of happystrange.png
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 06:08 PM

well, i guess you aren't my target market for the videogame I am developing about angsty teen vampires fighting zombies. It's set in the 80's and has a lot of pop culture references so that we know frakking sure that it is set in the 80's. But even if you don't play the game, maybe you will check out the comic adaptation? It is an 8 1/2 issue mini that crosses over with 6 Marvel titles, 4 DC titles and even an episode of House. It is going to crack the 'net in half!

(just busting your chops. I understand alot of where you are coming from)
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE (gr8alberto @ Oct 17 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, i guess you aren't my target market for the videogame I am developing about angsty teen vampires fighting zombies. It's set in the 80's and has a lot of pop culture references so that we know frakking sure that it is set in the 80's. But even if you don't play the game, maybe you will check out the comic adaptation? It is an 8 1/2 issue mini that crosses over with 6 Marvel titles, 4 DC titles and even an episode of House. It is going to crack the 'net in half!

(just busting your chops. I understand alot of where you are coming from)



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Posted 17 October 2009 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 06:38 PM

QUOTE (gr8alberto @ Oct 17 2009, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, i guess you aren't my target market for the videogame I am developing about angsty teen vampires fighting zombies. It's set in the 80's and has a lot of pop culture references so that we know frakking sure that it is set in the 80's. But even if you don't play the game, maybe you will check out the comic adaptation? It is an 8 1/2 issue mini that crosses over with 6 Marvel titles, 4 DC titles and even an episode of House. It is going to crack the 'net in half!

(just busting your chops. I understand alot of where you are coming from)


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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (hermit @ Oct 17 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-frak: STOP using this curse word, the show is not even that good.


As someone who recently watched the whole series last month I have to disagree. Battlestar Galactica was great! (But I don't use that word.)
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:45 PM

theres a trend towards milking?

Those cows must be exhausted.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (Corwin @ Oct 17 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As someone who recently watched the whole series last month I have to disagree. Battlestar Galactica was great! (But I don't use that word.)


i actually liked the first season. not loved, but liked. enough to start watching season 2, stopped after 2-3 episodes, couldn't stand it anymore. i don't know what changed.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 07:52 PM

gonna forgive the Frak rant I will chalk it up to getting caught up in the moment laughingsmiley.gif

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 08:45 PM

QUOTE (hermit @ Oct 17 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i'm just venting my frustration on some trends, if you like what i hate, good for you, i still like you happystrange.png i'm not trying to start a flame war, i just don't have any true geek friends, so i have nobody to talk to. feel free to add your own furstration.


-mega events: i don't read, or barely read, DC and Marvel anymore. why? because i want to enjoy my stories, not having to hunt 5 other spin-off that are linked to the main one. and they never end. she-hulk was fun at one time, right until the series got caught in the main marvel event of the time.

-hospital shows: 2 new shows this year. did we really need those. we already had house, scrubs (it's coming back), grey's anatomy. oh, they're all different, of course. one is about the nurses, the other is about a copter pilot. so what, in the end, they deal with the same crap: ''oooh i can't get a decent boyfriend'' or ''i don't what he has, oh wait, i got it''.

-console gaming: this is killing the pc gaming experience. noe, everything is dumbed down for controller. i remember a space flight game where almost every key on the keyboard were used. not all game should be that way of course. FPS is the genre that is getting hit the most. no more quick save, linear storyline, almost half the number of enemies we used to have.


anyway, that's just me, feel free to agree or disagree with me. but please, don't hate me for what i'm tired of happystrange.png



Mega Events -- I picked one side over the other. DC has my "mega event" money while Marvel well you have my Amazing Spidey, Cap & FF money. I still dont give a damn about Skrulls.

Hospital shows -- After ER what is the point of another hospital show on tv right now seriously. Outside of college & NFL football, Survivor, The Amazing Race, Desperate Housewives, Smallville & the upcoming V on ABC I watch very little tv. I watch Big Bang Theory on DVD & movies on DVD. They killed the golden goose that was Pushing Daisies too soon.

console gaming -- The bleeping outrageous prices dont concern me but more & more games have seizure warnings on them so they are no go for me from the start. I play Sim City 4, Monopoly Here & Now, Risk & Civilization on my computer for gaming fun.

It is healthy to release frustration on somethings that disapoint us on a regular basis.

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:30 PM

"I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!"
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:32 PM

Console gaming is a big bugbear to me, especially the introduction of quick-time events created to make things easier for people playing without keyboards. "Press X not to die!" So annoying! Should be "press X to smeg off out of my game and stop ruining the immersive experience for me!"
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 09:48 PM

Eh, the vampire trend isn't all that new. You could say it started with Buffy, or maybe Lost Boys. Vampire Diaries is actually fairly old in "trend terms" as well. Heck, even Amelia At-Water Rhodes (who is a terrible writer) was doing her vampy thing ten years ago. Those Sookie Stackhouse stories have been in Barnes & Noble for nearly a decade, and Cirque du Freak's been at it almost as long. And much as we may like to, let's not forget about Anne Rice, and about Brad Pit gracing the screen like a lost, undead puppy, and those books started in the 70's. C'mon, it's been around for awhile.

Thing is, now that they've been updated as a concept (more Spike&Angel, less Nosferatu), they're pretty much here to stay. The obsession may ebb and flow, but at the end of the day, vampires work for a "safe" teen/pre-teen sexual fantasy. Penetration without it actually being sex, heavy sexual themes disguised in the supernatural setting, concept of becoming something "cool" or "other," and plenty of angst that, let's face it, most high-schooler eat up with a spoon (I will admit, guiltily, that in my old high school group, the easy angst was a mark of a "good" series). It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Twilight will, one day, stop being everyone's drug of choice, but some other vampy thing'll come around not too long after.

...Granted, working at the library now, if I had a dollar for every "omigosh so cool!" teen vamp book that comes through any given day...I could probably buy myself lunch that day. It's a little annoying, but then, there's plenty of every other genre coming in as well (and some of the mundane romances are hella scarier. There's a subsection of Harlequinne books literally called "Babies and Billionaires." I dunno, I think they're kinda creepy).


As for hospital shows...wanna get rid of cop shows too, while we're at it? It just makes an interesting background to set otherwise normal people against. You've got to have some place that brings people who normally wouldn't be together together.

And frakk, well...okay, I've hardly seen any of BGS, but my friends and I tend to experiement with alternative swear-words just for fun. That one always stuck around. Hell, it's not like the English language isn't fluid enough anyway.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:36 PM

Okay I was with you through the Zombie and vampire parts of your rant (surprised Joss Whedon hasn't called out the Twilight peeps for plagarism)and the mega event machine that has been DC and Marvel's trademark lately but...

//Could not disagree with you more about BSG. Its awesome and if you don't think so you are just out and out wrong. Sorry.

//Could not disagree with you more about console vs. PC.

I am sick and tired of the elitism PC gamers feel over us console brethren. I have been a console gamer since the damn Atari 2600 and I'd rather buy a new console every four or five years than trying to update my video/graphics card every six months just to play whatever is new. For the cost of one graphics card swap I have an XBox 360. Are you guys just sore about shelling out WAY more cash than I do to play the latest games? Can't we all coexist in one big gaming world? I don't want to have to read a giant instruction book to tell me to swap my characters equipment I need to press F4, Select and B all at once while holding the space bar. If you like your games to be supercomplicated affairs that require a PhD to play then by all means help yourself but don't down me for my preference, okay? We are all gamers, lets just enjoy what we like without the snobbery, okay? Don't make me come down there or you will be sorry.smile.gif

Okay.

Now Frak off!
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:47 PM

I was going to type out a longer reply, but it pretty much boils down to this: take a chill pill hermit. smile.gif

Trends don't bother me, because it's so easy to avoid them if you don't want any parts of them. I'm curious, have you read the Zombie survival guide, or are you just anti that book on principle of it's subject matter? I found it to be pretty flipping awesome. I would say it, along with World War Z, are benchmarks of zombie fiction. As much as I enjoy Walking Dead, I think those books are much better -- at least for my tastes.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (yodajones @ Oct 17 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am sick and tired of the elitism PC gamers feel over us console brethren. I have been a console gamer since the damn Atari 2600 and I'd rather buy a new console every four or five years than trying to update my video/graphics card every six months just to play whatever is new. For the cost of one graphics card swap I have an XBox 360. Are you guys just sore about shelling out WAY more cash than I do to play the latest games? Can't we all coexist in one big gaming world? I don't want to have to read a giant instruction book to tell me to swap my characters equipment I need to press F4, Select and B all at once while holding the space bar. If you like your games to be supercomplicated affairs that require a PhD to play then by all means help yourself but don't down me for my preference, okay? We are all gamers, lets just enjoy what we like without the snobbery, okay? Don't make me come down there or you will be sorry.smile.gif



I'm not saying we can't have both, but what's unfortunate is that there's a bleed over effect from one to the other and this is down to bad moves on the designers themselves. Bad ports (in either direction, console to PC or the rarer PC to console) are an almighty thorn in the enjoyment of many gamers.
As for me not liking quicktime events, well as I said, it just pulls me out of the game experience too much.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:04 AM

The seriousness of the title instantly made me think this was a pants rant without even looking at the author.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:17 AM

QUOTE (yodajones @ Oct 17 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay I was with you through the Zombie and vampire parts of your rant (surprised Joss Whedon hasn't called out the Twilight peeps for plagarism)


Well, the only real similarities between Buffy and Twilight is that there are vampires and a teen romance. And that the vampire gets angsty (but then, Angel actually has reasons to angst, given that he's not pussified and actually does terrible, terrible things).
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:02 AM

QUOTE (Truxillogical @ Oct 17 2009, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, the vampire trend isn't all that new. You could say it started with Buffy, or maybe Lost Boys. Vampire Diaries is actually fairly old in "trend terms" as well. Heck, even Amelia At-Water Rhodes (who is a terrible writer) was doing her vampy thing ten years ago. Those Sookie Stackhouse stories have been in Barnes & Noble for nearly a decade, and Cirque du Freak's been at it almost as long. And much as we may like to, let's not forget about Anne Rice, and about Brad Pit gracing the screen like a lost, undead puppy, and those books started in the 70's. C'mon, it's been around for awhile.

Thing is, now that they've been updated as a concept (more Spike&Angel, less Nosferatu), they're pretty much here to stay. The obsession may ebb and flow, but at the end of the day, vampires work for a "safe" teen/pre-teen sexual fantasy. Penetration without it actually being sex, heavy sexual themes disguised in the supernatural setting, concept of becoming something "cool" or "other," and plenty of angst that, let's face it, most high-schooler eat up with a spoon (I will admit, guiltily, that in my old high school group, the easy angst was a mark of a "good" series). It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Twilight will, one day, stop being everyone's drug of choice, but some other vampy thing'll come around not too long after.

...Granted, working at the library now, if I had a dollar for every "omigosh so cool!" teen vamp book that comes through any given day...I could probably buy myself lunch that day. It's a little annoying, but then, there's plenty of every other genre coming in as well (and some of the mundane romances are hella scarier. There's a subsection of Harlequinne books literally called "Babies and Billionaires." I dunno, I think they're kinda creepy).


As for hospital shows...wanna get rid of cop shows too, while we're at it? It just makes an interesting background to set otherwise normal people against. You've got to have some place that brings people who normally wouldn't be together together.

And frakk, well...okay, I've hardly seen any of BGS, but my friends and I tend to experiement with alternative swear-words just for fun. That one always stuck around. Hell, it's not like the English language isn't fluid enough anyway.


i know vampires have been around for a long time now, it just seem that since the events of true blood and twilight, it's getting worse.

cop shows, forgot about them, there's a lot of them, really popular one, and they all come down to the same thing. i like some of them, mostly because of the actors playing in those series. Castle, with nathan fillion is awesome, because of nathan fillion.


QUOTE (jacobi @ Oct 17 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was going to type out a longer reply, but it pretty much boils down to this: take a chill pill hermit. smile.gif

Trends don't bother me, because it's so easy to avoid them if you don't want any parts of them. I'm curious, have you read the Zombie survival guide, or are you just anti that book on principle of it's subject matter? I found it to be pretty flipping awesome. I would say it, along with World War Z, are benchmarks of zombie fiction. As much as I enjoy Walking Dead, I think those books are much better -- at least for my tastes.


i'm the chillest person in the world, i just like to have diversity in my entertainment. like i said, i'm just venting, having fun, don't read too much into it. i was not angry while writing this, just something i wanted to get off my chest.

QUOTE (yodajones @ Oct 17 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay I was with you through the Zombie and vampire parts of your rant (surprised Joss Whedon hasn't called out the Twilight peeps for plagarism)and the mega event machine that has been DC and Marvel's trademark lately but...

//Could not disagree with you more about BSG. Its awesome and if you don't think so you are just out and out wrong. Sorry.

//Could not disagree with you more about console vs. PC.

I am sick and tired of the elitism PC gamers feel over us console brethren. I have been a console gamer since the damn Atari 2600 and I'd rather buy a new console every four or five years than trying to update my video/graphics card every six months just to play whatever is new. For the cost of one graphics card swap I have an XBox 360. Are you guys just sore about shelling out WAY more cash than I do to play the latest games? Can't we all coexist in one big gaming world? I don't want to have to read a giant instruction book to tell me to swap my characters equipment I need to press F4, Select and B all at once while holding the space bar. If you like your games to be supercomplicated affairs that require a PhD to play then by all means help yourself but don't down me for my preference, okay? We are all gamers, lets just enjoy what we like without the snobbery, okay? Don't make me come down there or you will be sorry. smile.gif

Okay.

Now Frak off!


i don't hate console gaming, far from it. but, as a PC gamer and FPS lover, i saw the change made in the genre over the years. i don't like my games more complicated, but i like to have the choice of getting a complicated game or not. i just like the versatility that PC gaming offers. i also like racing games, and consoles are much better in that matter, i think.

BSG, couples of my friends hate the show to, but i know it is a very popular one, you're not a bad person for liking it, just stop using the word in everyday life.

QUOTE (Scioptic @ Oct 17 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not saying we can't have both, but what's unfortunate is that there's a bleed over effect from one to the other and this is down to bad moves on the designers themselves. Bad ports (in either direction, console to PC or the rarer PC to console) are an almighty thorn in the enjoyment of many gamers.
As for me not liking quicktime events, well as I said, it just pulls me out of the game experience too much.


quicktime events should be stopped and just let us play the game. arkham asylum is an awesome game, but the QT events are annoying as hell. make a game, or a move, not both.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 05:23 AM

Hermit,

As always, I find your take on things refreshing, amusing, and more often than not, at least 99% correct. Ever thought about writing a column, or at least reviews? But anyway, regarding your "Just stop it" list...

Zombies.
Absolutely. Fuck zombies. No. Seriously. Anyone currently writing / drawing a zombie book should ask themselves, "Am I bringing ANYTHING remotely new to the subject?" And if the answer is "No," then please for the love of all that is beautiful and good in the world, PLEASE STOP THIS SHIT. Now. Are there good zombie books? Yes. AWAKENING is pretty impressive, but that's a story more about paranoia and subjective reality. DEAD SPEED is also a good "zombie" book, although, again, it's not really about zombies.

Vampires.
Ugh. Being the one sci-fi guy amongst a group of Ann Rice fanatics in high school already put me at odds with the whole vampire obsessions. I was glad to see the "romantic" vampire fad die in the late 1990's, and Whedon's "Angel" seemed more about spoofing the whole Lestat thing. Finally vampires were reclaiming their mantel as true "monsters"...a form of demonically animated undead. Even sci-fi vampires got kind of cool again, such as in the first Underworld film. Finally things appeared back on track...until Twilight. Ugh, now vampires are not only teen masturbation material, they've been reduced to glittery-emoboy-incest-Morom twerps who need a good beating. Ugh.

Mega events.
Fuck'em. End of story.

Hospital shows
I'd probably agree except I don't watch enough regular TV to be aware of this one. Saw House once, though...it hurt.

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Frak: STOP using this curse word, the show is not even that good.

Okay, in all fairness, the first 1.5 seasons of this show was some of the best sci-fi television ever made. Then the whole thing fell apart and I've cursed the name Ron Moore ever since. I could get into why the show failed, but that's probably best saved for another thread.

console gaming: this is killing the pc gaming experience.
True, but the PC gaming market is to blame for this. Not consoles. As much as I love PC style gaming, the market is too flawed. Games are shipped when they're not even out of beta, requiring I download patches which may or may not work. Everytime the latest and greatest FPS comes out I need to buy a new friggin' graphics card, or more memory, or whatever. Sorry, not worth it.

reference.
Eh...yeah, it's getting bit overkill. Doesn't bother me too much unless the writer is trying waaaaay too hard, though. Aside from Venture Bros, I'd say most the Adult Swin line-up could benefit from dropping the pop-reference and focus a little more on being actually funny.


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