[brydeemer]

More JSA goodness.

Bry

[Mozbe]

I LOVE these things, thanks for doing them!!

[Paul]

We speculated about the whole Kid Eternity/Captain Marvel Jr connection on the first episode of Legion of Substitute Podcasters. It turns out that Legion creator Otto Binder, who spent 12 years writing the Marvel Family, also created Kid Eternity. Binder wrote more than half of the total Marvel Family output (986 stories out of a total 1743).

I think that the reason Kid Eternity's powers stem from "one magic word" and a bolt of lightning, is due to the fact that Binder had written so many of the Marvel Family adventures, and he combined this with an origin that resembled the movie Here Comes Mr Jordan (remade as Heaven Can Wait, and then re-remade as Down To Earth).

Pulling KE into the Marvels made sense from a common power base, and also may have been E. Nelson Bridwell's nod to Otto Binder.

Onto the pronunciation of Hippolyta. I'm pretty sure that Bryan is correct in what he said. It should be Heepoleeta. (at least that's what the Greek guy who runs our favourite breakfast place said to us today when I asked. As Murd said, there's that anglicization of names that occurred.

Fury's name Lyta (pronounced Leeta, I presume) is indeed shortened from Hippolyta, as she was originally the Earth-2 Wonder Woman's daughter, and was so-named in tribute to her maternal grandmother. I think there was even an early Infinity Inc issue in which her mother was angry with her, and called her by her full name of Hippolyta Trevor, so you knew that she was pissed off Lyta may have even been referred to as Hippolyta in one of her Sandman appearances, but I'm not that far into the absolutes yet.

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[ctowner1]

I was rummaging through my longboxes this weekend for some art references for my Secret Santa sketch...and much to my surprise, I OWN this comic! lol I assume I must have bought it b/c I was/am a big fan of the Robinson Starman series, so I would have checked this out. I've been getting into JSA recently through the TPBs - but struck me as quite funny that I bought and (presumably) read this when it came out, but it didn't hook me. Now I'm REALLY loving it. Guess these things have to hit you at the right time with the right mindset (and episodes like these footnotes and general forum discussion is a great way to GET in that mindset! lol).

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[Jason Aiken]

Didn't realize the Gladiator connection to Iron Monroe... he's still in Manhunter along with his Phantom Lady...

Speaking of Gladiator that book is tough to find... I might just try and track this down... one of the best covers EVER

[Paul]

Didn't realize the Gladiator connection to Iron Monroe... he's still in Manhunter along with his Phantom Lady...

Speaking of Gladiator that book is tough to find... I might just try and track this down... one of the best covers EVER

Here's a link to the original novel. It's a great book. I love that Thomas fashioned his Superman replacement out of one of the inspirations behind Superman!

[Darth Kramer]

I haven't seen this referenced yet, but Wesley Dodd's death was foreshadowed as far back as Starman #30 when Jack received his letter from Dian. Ted had a feeling that Wesley's trip to Asia would be the death of him.

[Darth Kramer]

Murd is 100% correct. The original Black Canary died in Secret Origins #50 in the Black Canary origin. That issue also features a re-telling of "Flash of Two Worlds" by Grant Morrison.

[Darth Kramer]

Robinson has an affinity for the Red Bee. We have seen him show up in the Starman series, particularly in the '97 "Talking with David" issue that featured a dinner with deceased JSA members.

[Peter]

Murd is 100% correct. The original Black Canary died in Secret Origins #50 in the Black Canary origin. That issue also features a re-telling of "Flash of Two Worlds" by Grant Morrison.

I think I still have that issue. I'll have to check it out.

[Peter]

Robinson has an affinity for the Red Bee. We have seen him show up in the Starman series, particularly in the '97 "Talking with David" issue that featured a dinner with deceased JSA members.

Golden Age characters didn't die as often as they did in the 90s, so, although it probably was unwarranted, I thought the Red Bee's death was kinda "major" (as much of a major death of a guy called Red Bee can be). I can remember the original Mr. Terrific getting offed in JLA, the Earth-2 Batman getting killed, the Crimson Avenger in DC Comics Presents, but were there others before Red Bee? They seemed such "sacred ground" that I didn't think anyone was even allowed to kill them off. Unless they wanted to be visited by a very pissed off Roy Thomas.

Of course after the Crisis, Golden Age characters had targets on their heads.

[Bizarro-Me #1]

Golden Age characters didn't die as often as they did in the 90s, so, although it probably was unwarranted, I thought the Red Bee's death was kinda "major" (as much of a major death of a guy called Red Bee can be). I can remember the original Mr. Terrific getting offed in JLA, the Earth-2 Batman getting killed, the Crimson Avenger in DC Comics Presents, but were there others before Red Bee? They seemed such "sacred ground" that I didn't think anyone was even allowed to kill them off. Unless they wanted to be visited by a very pissed off Roy Thomas.

Of course after the Crisis, Golden Age characters had targets on their heads.

Actually, Peter, all the characters you mentioned died before the Red Bee did (in real-world publication time, at least). And Roy Thomas himself was the writer who "killed" the Red Bee, in the pages of All-Star Squadron! The Bee died serving in Uncle Sam's second squad of Freedom Fighters, and he was preceded in death by most of the first squad (Magno, Neon the Unknown, Red Torpedo, the Invisible Hood, Miss America--although almost all of those deaths were retconned away later).

[Peter]

Actually, Peter, all the characters you mentioned died before the Red Bee did (in real-world publication time, at least). And Roy Thomas himself was the writer who "killed" the Red Bee, in the pages of All-Star Squadron! The Bee died serving in Uncle Sam's second squad of Freedom Fighters, and he was preceded in death by most of the first squad (Magno, Neon the Unknown, Red Torpedo, the Invisible Hood, Miss America--although almost all of those deaths were retconned away later).

Yup - I guess my wording is a lil strange - I was trying to find other characters (like Terrific, Avenger, etc.) that died before the Bee.

[mattperiolat]

Also worth commenting on that Obsidian's "heel turn", if I may use a pro wrestling analogy, began in the miniseries Green Lantern: Heart of Darkness. That's where Jade lost her powers, Alan Scott was de-youthized and I think it also had an apperance of Brainwave Jr., which figures into later JSA goodness.

The stuff with the Red Bee in Starman has already been covered, as have Secret Origins #50, but if you want more stuff on Crimson Avenger and his relationship with Sandman, check out Secret Origins #5 and 7 as well as the Crimson Avenger miniseries, all by Roy Thomas managing to get some post-Crisis footing for the classic characters and a darn good story at the same time.

Man, I so wish I could have sat at the table with you guys and discussed all this. Strange you should mentioned both Birds of Prey #8 and Young Justice as #8 is the only issue in the entire run of BOP that I don't have plus Young Justice will end up having some JSA ties especially with the Sins of Youth event.

Keep 'em coming, I love this.

[Wood]

Was just going to chime in on the Hippolyta pronunciation debate but I just got to the part where Bryan looked it up.

[Mr_Roboto2.0]

When asked about the how to pronounce "Hippolyta" I turned to Midsummer's Night Dream. Nearly every single rendition I've seen uses the name without the "ee" sound.

When in doubt, turn to Shakespeare.