[Tintin]

...And doesn't paint a pretty picture

A class act in "admitting" fault in the end but I think we all know who is ultimately responsible. I wasn't a huge fan of the new Legion reboot but I think this shows a little of what's really going on in the DC offices these days. The EIC has absolutely no idea what direction he is going in.

Dan Didio must die!

[Mister Blisterfists]

Can't wait to see what Manapul does next.



I'll miss this Legion.

[Jer]

From the article: I think canceling the book is a graceful way of getting rid of me. I complain too much and too loudly.

I doubt Jim himself would have put up with much crap during his own EIC days. From what I remember reading, he rand a pretty tight ship

This post has been edited by Jer: 30 October 2008 - 12:02 AM

[gabox82]

yeah, but from the article, it seems that what he was complaining about did have some validity: about various glitches and screw-ups than anything else.
Very interesting interview.

[rainbowcloak]

Ooooh. Legion dirt. .Claude.. I love you.

meeeeeee-owwwww

I have a hard time with this article because I have to say I thought the addition of shooter as writer was a stunt to get old time legion fans back. Guess what, most of us never left.. But, I have to say, this run after Waid left has been just floundering. There are only so many issues of Legionnaires running off to fight nameless robots with no development regarding the villain side that anyone can take. The first arc with Waid was long and this 16 part whatever story was also too long. We needed some good done in one or two stories concentrating on characterization. Instead, there are many Legionnaires we have not seen in action in a year.. *sigh*

I'm sorry things did not work out for both parties, this book could have been great.

And it will be again.

LLTL!

This post has been edited by rainbowcloak: 30 October 2008 - 02:32 AM

[atomic99]

Dan Didio must die!

Silly rabbit, nobody dies in comics!!!

[Darth Kramer]

Wow. Two words come to mind here, "Sour" and "Grapes".

Personally, I'm glad this Legion book is coming to an end. IMHO, it has been struggling for direction since the first story arc ended with #13. After that, it limped along through the Dominator War, and I lost all interest in the book after that arc ended. I have read some of the Shooter issues and really, they're just okay. Nothing great. Now, I know a big conspiracy theory against Jim Shooter is a better story, but I truly believe that the cancellation of this book has more to do with a directionless book that really has run its course.

LONG LIVE THE LEGION!

[Fnord Serious]

It seems like Shooter should just write novels if he can't stand to look at the comics produced from his scripts. It certainly doesn't sound like ideal working conditions, but I agree on the sour grapes, DK.

[Mister Blisterfists]

my problem is this:

in the original Legion, Invisible Kid is dead (and had a crap costume).

and if the Threeboot Legion disappears, so does my favorite character from the Legion (that being IK).

I want to support the Legion, but I'm not a fan of being treated like I didn't support the 'winning team'.

and I'm sure it'll happen that way, because we're two for two in favor of the sore winners, when it comes to Barry and Hal.

This post has been edited by Mister Blisterfists: 30 October 2008 - 04:38 AM

[Wood]

I jumped on the book when Shooter was hired and have been disappointed after a strong start. Shooter may have valid criticisms, certainly DC's recent results would argue they are not beyond reproach. That said, he also has a lot of telltale signs of being a royal pain in the ass and someone that probably did himself no favors in terms of keeping his job. For a guy that "has child support to pay", sounds like he didn't exactly make it hard for his bosses to let him go for cause.

[WetRats]

Wow. Two words come to mind here, "Sour" and "Grapes".

Personally, I'm glad this Legion book is coming to an end. IMHO, it has been struggling for direction since the first story arc ended with #13. After that, it limped along through the Dominator War, and I lost all interest in the book after that arc ended. I have read some of the Shooter issues and really, they're just okay. Nothing great. Now, I know a big conspiracy theory against Jim Shooter is a better story, but I truly believe that the cancellation of this book has more to do with a directionless book that really has run its course.

LONG LIVE THE LEGION!

Yep.

I enjoyed Shooter's issues more than you did, but his big 16-18 issue story arc was terribly paced.

And shame on him for immediately jumping in on a 16-issue arc. He KNOWS how to write shorter stories.

But apparently he no longer knows how to work for somebody else.

That's a shame.

[jaytomio]

Look, I'm one of those people that as a fan, Shooter has a tendency to be in control of projects I love. His stewardship created the best of comics I've ever read, Really enjoyed the DEFIANT concept and for people that look at Broadway as see femme Fatale and think "Bad Girl run Away"! should give them a try as well. The debate (and yes it's a debate) about his Marvel tenure is well documented but frankly some great work came out under him. A lot of people seem to want to blame him for the shit, but don't want to give him credit for what was good.

All that said, the guy has a track record of getting ousted or fired (or companies going out of their way to torpedo him - Plasmer etc) and while I've been a fan of the bottom line (the work) you have to reach a point where the guy is definitely a part of his own problems/demise. There is such things as politics and it seems like it's something he has never grasped (or from a perspective, held too tightly).

As big a fan of his work and VALIANT I am I'm not one of these guys in love with the potential idea of Shooter's return to a managing editor at a new VALIANT. IMHO he closes as many doors as he opens (or at least gives off that type of aura). I'd love to see him write a new VALIANT title or even be involved in Dark Horse's Magnus or Solar properties.

For myself, I just remember the glory of Shooter/Lapham Harbinger goodness

[kyle759]

Dan Didio must die!

But then after he dies, he will get replaced by a new editor-in-chief. But over time, some old-schoolers will clamor for the return of Dan Didio. And soon he will come back from the dead. But he won't be the idiot Dan Didio that really existed. He'll be the idealized Dan Didio that the fans wanted back and he won't make stupid decisions like "let's kill Nightwing" or "let's do a prelude to our huge, already written mega-event that completely contradicts what the author has already written and shown to us for said mega-event."

[Solitaire Rose]

Yep.

I enjoyed Shooter's issues more than you did, but his big 16-18 issue story arc was terribly paced.

And shame on him for immediately jumping in on a 16-issue arc. He KNOWS how to write shorter stories.

But apparently he no longer knows how to work for somebody else.

That's a shame.

Shooter has NEVER done well at working with others.

As for the 16 issue "story arc"...it ain't 1985 any more, and an arc like that won't work as a trade paperback, readers don't have the patience for something that long, and the "endless soap opera" approach that Shooter favors is as dead as parachute pants and Kid 'n Play's career.

<snark> Wow, Shooter's upset that his vision was ruined by an editorial team. Good thing HE never did that when he was in charge of a comic book company </snark>

[Flintlockjaw]

<snark> Wow, Shooter's upset that his vision was ruined by an editorial team. Good thing HE never did that when he was in charge of a comic book company </snark>

HA!

[rainbowcloak]

HA!

Yuppers. it's called Karma.

[DGoodhart]

Wow. Two words come to mind here, "Sour" and "Grapes".

Personally, I'm glad this Legion book is coming to an end. IMHO, it has been struggling for direction since the first story arc ended with #13. After that, it limped along through the Dominator War, and I lost all interest in the book after that arc ended. I have read some of the Shooter issues and really, they're just okay. Nothing great. Now, I know a big conspiracy theory against Jim Shooter is a better story, but I truly believe that the cancellation of this book has more to do with a directionless book that really has run its course.

LONG LIVE THE LEGION!

Matt's right on the money... and with steam building around Legion of Three Worlds, I could definitely see wanting to cut this one short so as not to necessarily interfere with what's building over there- more or less creating the identity there rather than here.

I've enjoyed Shooter's current run, but in the big picture sense of all of the runs on the book, I put this slightly above that of Roy Thomas and Jimmy Janes from back in the day... it hasn't been bad at all, and it hasn't sent me packing but it's also not the way this book should be viewed either...

[Darth Kramer]

I've enjoyed Shooter's current run, but in the big picture sense of all of the runs on the book, I put this slightly above that of Roy Thomas and Jimmy Janes from back in the day... it hasn't been bad at all, and it hasn't sent me packing but it's also not the way this book should be viewed either...

As long as Dr. Mayavale never returns, Legion fans can breathe a sigh of relief...

[kyle759]

As for the 16 issue "story arc"...it ain't 1985 any more, and an arc like that won't work as a trade paperback, readers don't have the patience for something that long, and the "endless soap opera" approach that Shooter favors is as dead as parachute pants and Kid 'n Play's career.

Not being a huge Legion fan, I don't have much stake in this argument. However, this comment hit me. I wish that approach was still around. Heck, maybe we could suck in more readers if we took the "endless soap opera" approach and they needed to get the next issue/trade.

EDIT - and no patience for something that long? They seem to have the patience for 1,892 page Harry Potter books which nobody thinks that kids "have the patience for" these days.

This post has been edited by kyle759: 30 October 2008 - 06:26 PM

[Solitaire Rose]

Not being a huge Legion fan, I don't have much stake in this argument. However, this comment hit me. I wish that approach was still around. Heck, maybe we could suck in more readers if we took the "endless soap opera" approach and they needed to get the next issue/trade.

The endless soap opera approach is what killed Marvel for me in the 90's. Avengers became just like the X-Men, Reed was "dead" for two years, Spider-Man's clone went on for years, and on and on...it got to the point where they took a good one to two issue story and drug it on for two years.

It wasn't until Marvel went with short story arcs that I came back.