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ISR #142: Politics in Comics! With Fred Van Lente & Tom Humberstone!

#1 User is offline   MisterPhil 

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 03:13 PM


ISR's contribution to the comics podcast theme event - Politics in Comics!
We talk with Fred Van Lente, writer of Comic Book Comics, who kicks his
knowledge of politics in comics throughout history! Then Tom Humberstone
discusses My Fellow Americans, which chronicles his 8-week roadtrip
following the Presidential primaries!



This episode sponsored by The New Radio and their new book Poison: The Cure #2!


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Posted 28 October 2008 - 05:24 PM

Related links, for those who are interested:

"How Would Superman End the War?" from Look magazine

Punch in Der Furher's Face: Cover to Captain America Comics #1

"Are You a Red Dupe?"

National Archives' weird disclaimer about the difficulty of using the Senate comics' hearings records

Joe Simon's Prez

AARGH editorial by Alan Moore

Free Comic Book Comics stories

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Posted 28 October 2008 - 07:42 PM

Wow, Fred. Those links are great.

"Are you a Red Dupe?" is AMAZING.

I love that. He was really taking them to task. That guy had KOURAGE.



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Posted 29 October 2008 - 08:23 AM

I'm voting for Obama & hoping that REAL change happens on Nov. 4th. Thanks for the episode as always.

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Posted 29 October 2008 - 02:51 PM

Are you really voting Obama?

cuz i don't think it's clear by your post.

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 11:02 AM

haha! i got my shout out! smile.gif

thanks, phil. i really had a blast going there w/ you. thanks for letting me sleep a bit on the way down to SPX considering i was whoring all night so i had to rejuvenate. tongue.gif my first SPX was a blast and i plan on attending next year. i say we do the road trip again! this time, we have to find a Chik-Fil-A!!!

and charlie, that was not danielle corsetto's first SPX. if i remember, she said it's one of her (if not THE) favorite cons to do.

just listening now, but figured id put in some thoughts from what ive heard so far. rock it.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 07:44 PM

ah sweet. Thanks you big whore.


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Posted 30 October 2008 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Charlito @ Oct 30 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ah sweet. Thanks you big whore.

that's starfucker to you.
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 02:17 AM

I really didn't know what to expect of this show. I thought it turned out great, with the exception of the poor audio quality for Humberstone and that terrible Obama song at the end. (As for the song-- a great idea, executed with maximum annoyance factor).

Anyway, I really, especially, extra loved the Fred Van Lente portion of the episode. Please do another with him where tangents are encouraged!

A few questions about politics in comics:
What about Vietnam? I don't know a ton about mainstream stuff, but weren't there a few characters that were supposed to be vets?
What about feminist comics?
Dr. Phil touched on gay politics a little with his story about the anthology devoted to blocking that terrible anti-gay bill, but I'd love to hear more.
I'd also love to hear more about comics used as propaganda.

I am full of wants...
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:56 AM

Fred was great! There was some mainstream skirting with politics during the "relevance" fad of the 70s, I seem to remember, including the rather wonderful sight of Steve Engelhart's Captain America unmasking a supervillain as Richard Nixon.
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (Charlito @ Oct 29 2008, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you really voting Obama?

cuz i don't think it's clear by your post.

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smile_anim.gif  Obama yea!!! Dumbass Grandpa McCain can just remain cranky for Arizona & not for every state of the union. 


Matthew

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (mguy1977 @ Oct 31 2008, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
smile_anim.gif  Obama yea!!! Dumbass Grandpa McCain can just remain cranky for Arizona & not for every state of the union. 


Matthew


So you're still on the fence is what you're saying
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Posted 31 October 2008 - 08:51 PM

KW - biggrin.gif

Carrie - Hows it feel to WANT?!?!
Kiddin'. Thanks. I too enjoyed this EP. Tom Humberstone was a GREAT guest as well but we were having SO many tech problems that you didn't even get to hear. We ended up having to use Mr. Phil's cel phone which cost us $70 . YIKES .

So sorry bout the quality, we tried.

And Fred Van Lente.. or FVL as I like to call him.... totally AGREED. Even if he IS a Marvel hack.

KIDDIN!

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (KW!! @ Oct 31 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you're still on the fence is what you're saying

Good one. (chuckles)  But honestly, it is time for real change.  Obama is the answer to provide the change needed for America after "W."'s 8 years.


Matthew

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 11:01 PM

i'm still a little confused.... mguy1977 - who are you voting for?

hi all. just wanted to say thanks for a fun interview and sorry to everyone who tried to listen to me (for both the content and sound quality). damn my location and poor reception. really sorry it cost you guys so much - there are some comic/book/musical goodness on its way to you which i hope will offer some solace.

great episode (my interview notwithstanding) regardless with FVL.

awaiting tuesday with the requisite amount of nervous anticipation...

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 08:06 PM

I just wanted to thank Fred Van Lente for hipping me to Joe Simon's "Prez"... You see, I recently read through the Sandman trades and one of them has that Mike Allred Prez issue, which just seemed like the most oddball out of left field thing ever. And it's still the most oddball out of left field thing ever, but at least now I'm able to shake that "I must be missing something here" feeling. Might have to go check some of those older Prez issues out.

Good work as always gentlemen
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Posted 10 November 2008 - 05:53 PM

I forgot about that.
And KW, have you read....that PREZ issue "Smells like Teen President." ?


I loved it.

Early Brubaker, before he did heroes and crime.

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Good stuff.

Mile hi comics has it for like $3.


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Posted 23 November 2008 - 03:26 AM

QUOTE (carrie @ Oct 30 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A few questions about politics in comics:
What about Vietnam? I don't know a ton about mainstream stuff, but weren't there a few characters that were supposed to be vets?
What about feminist comics?
Dr. Phil touched on gay politics a little with his story about the anthology devoted to blocking that terrible anti-gay bill, but I'd love to hear more.
I'd also love to hear more about comics used as propaganda.

I'm not sure about the characters-as-veterans thing (though the Punisher is, which isn't worth much as far as politics go) but Marvel did put out an excellent series called The 'Nam in the late '80s-early '90s. For a mainstream media company they did a remarkable job of not being partisan -- it's not an anti-war comic and not a hawkish propaganda comic, but just a well-written story about soldiers dealing with what they dealt with. Gorgeous Michael Golden art, too -- I can still remember specific panels even though I haphazardly read the issues. Golden (and the comic) is that good. If you want to jump in they released a TPB of the first story arc a few years ago and I don't know what else they've done with it since.

Not sure about the other topics you mention aside from propaganda comics -- Fred's mentions on the show are just the tip of the iceberg. More recently there was the annoying onslaught of hawkish comics after 9-11, and then the mildly annoying never-finished series of "peace comics" that Marvel put out prior to the Iraq War called 411. Very poorly done comics in there but some bright spots, too, particularly by those Croatian guys whose names I can never pronounce or remember (Danijel Zejeljezevb-something and Marco something?).

Captain America, as a character, has had a few bouts of serious politics. I don't know why it isn't more revered, but John Ney Reiber's run that opened the current series struck me as the most complex use of the character in a political setting. He had destroyed a terrorist cell, revealed his identity, and then was a fugitive from the government. I forget exactly why but it was edge-of-your-seat political comics.

Speaking of Cap, there was Kyle Baker's (and I forget the name of the writer) amazing story, "Truth" which imagined that the real-life experiments with syphilis that the government performed on African Americans was, in the Marvel Universe, Cap's Super Soldier serum. One of the experimental subjects survives and becomes the first Captain America, a black Captain America -- a "in-continuity" story that seems to be largely forgotten.

And Kyle Baker illustrated my favorite political comic, Birth of a Nation, about the city of East St. Louis seceding from the Union to form "The Republic of Blackland." Spot-on race issues stuff that makes you laugh, to boot.

God I can keep going forever! Dammit, Charlito, next time just run your set list by me before you go on the air!! (Kidding -- awesome episode, guys.)

QUOTE (KW!! @ Nov 4 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just wanted to thank Fred Van Lente for hipping me to Joe Simon's "Prez"... You see, I recently read through the Sandman trades and one of them has that Mike Allred Prez issue, which just seemed like the most oddball out of left field thing ever. And it's still the most oddball out of left field thing ever, but at least now I'm able to shake that "I must be missing something here" feeling. Might have to go check some of those older Prez issues out.

I second the thanks to Fred for the mention. I truly love the original Prez (the Vertigo reimaginings sapped all the charm, in my opinion). It's bonkers. He has a Native American VP in full stereotypical Indian dress with the feathers and all and the comics had crazy shit like werewolves and vampires. I'm really thankful for this comic!

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:51 PM

Here's the Prez issue I was talking about:



I read this over and over again for probably ten years until I lost it. Man, I wish I had all of these!

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (JP Hootiger @ Nov 23 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's the Prez issue I was talking about:



I read this over and over again for probably ten years until I lost it. Man, I wish I had all of these!


Dunlavey had this same issue framed on the wall of his office for many years...
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