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Posted 05 September 2007 - 12:41 PM

Get it guys!
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Posted 05 September 2007 - 01:10 PM

I think Jaka's story is Vol 5 of the phone books; good motivation to buy it since I only have Vol 1 to 4. Cool...
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Posted 05 September 2007 - 02:18 PM

Exciting that you guys got Sim for the show again. One of these days I will hole up with a broken leg or something and read all those Cerebus volumes, and when I do it will be great to have these episodes as a resource afterwards.
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Posted 05 September 2007 - 05:13 PM

Great show guys!

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:28 PM

Looking forward to this one. I'm behind on episodes due to a damaged iPod thumbsdown_anim.gif

Jaka's Story is the emotional core of the whole run of Cerebus, for me. Granted, I have yet to read the last 3 phonebooks, but I cannot see them having the impact that Jaka's Story did. It had resonance with my personal experience at the time I read it, which probably increased the impact of the story on me. Luckily it was the "spending time with a woman you still care for who is sleeping with someone else" part of the story and not the reveal at the end of the story that resonated with me.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 02:51 AM

After the fun. action, drama, politics etc. of Cerebus Vol. 2-4 it is Jaka's Story that makes the entire series work. Calling the emotional core is a good phrase, it really the rest of the series (well I've only read through vol. 11 so far) is building up after the tear downs in this volume.
Great stuff, heart breaking, looking forward to listening to the episode.

On a side note I've got to meet Dave Sim at a couple of conventions and he comes across as a real nice guy. He was giving out and signing copies of Cerebus 0 to people waiting in line at the Paradise Comics Con in Toronto last June.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 10:43 AM

Thanks to Peter, Bryan and Jamie for the fun time! I wanted to post these pictures from Dave's notebooks so y'all could see what I was talking about:

In the phonebook Oscar never meets Cerebus. Cerebus goes off to get paint, and when Oscar returns to Pud's Tavern with Jaka's Story. . .well, we all know what happened then. One of the things I asked Dave about during the podcast was the never told meeting between Cerebus and Oscar from the notebooks, see below:

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Notebook #11 page 58:


Notebook #11 page 59:


One of the things that I didn't get to ask about was how Rick views Cerebus. . .I don't recall this being in the phonebook but I could be wrong:
Notebook #11 page 64:


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Posted 06 September 2007 - 12:16 PM

This Sim guy is a wonderful addition the your podcasts - you should keep him!

Seriously, these Cerebus BOTM episodes have been excellent. Peter does a great job in keeping things moving along as well and pointing out items (such as the shadows between the couple in bed). Thanks for doing these.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 12:27 PM

Way to go, guys. Hearing the creators (and editors) talk about the projects is always great. Hearing Sim was even better. Very nice.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 01:21 PM

Hearing Peter say, "Dancing for Pud." had me giggling like a blithering idiot here at work.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 01:48 PM

Those notebooks are awesome. Can't wait to see more of them. Thanks for posting them Margaret!!
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 04:23 AM

QUOTE(Margaret @ Sep 6 2007, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks to Peter, Bryan and Jamie for the fun time! I wanted to post these pictures from Dave's notebooks so y'all could see what I was talking about:


Thanks Margaret those are great to see. Looking forward to see the finished project.
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:53 PM

I'm about 1/2way through the ep - and I have to say - if you love Cerebus, this is, of course, the jackpot - hearing Dave Sim talk about his own creation at depth for almost 2 hours.

But even if you care nothing about Cerebus, listening to Dave Sim talk about creating comics in general - it's amazing. Here's a guy that spent 26 years in a row honing his art - putting out a new comic - writing and drawing it - every 30 days for 26 straight years. The guy knows his stuff. I would think that there are NO creators working today (or ever?) who have this experience. I was just listening to the sequence where he's talking about the relationship of text to picture and the flow of the story - just cool stuff. All the criticism of Sim as to the later content of Cerebus aside, no one has ever criticized (and, sadly, not enough people have lauded), his sheer mastery of the medium. His ability to combine words and pictures in sequential form. And hearing his thoughts on the subject here is simply riveting listening - must listening to any true fan of the comics medium - wonderful job guys!

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 10:59 PM

Amazing show.. going to buy asap.
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Posted 10 September 2007 - 04:06 AM

Just finished the show - excellent stuff.

I think the question was raised as to whether Cerebus knew Cirin was an aardvark as of Jaka's Story. The answer is definitely no. He didn't even know there were other aardvarks until Weishaupt told him so on his deathbed in Church & State I. And then Weishaupt dies before Cerebus can beat their identities out of him.

As to whether Cirin was Jaka's nurse, I can answer that if you'd like to know - but best to learn things in their own time... (although, actually, now that I think of it, we learn nurse, Ada talbot, is dead at the end of Jaka's Story in the Epilogue - so that would kind of bring that theory into doubt, no? (of course it could have been a ruse... ;^)

Also...no reference to the great pun that is Pud Withers' name?? lol

As to Lord Julius' party, evidently, Lord Julius’ birthday invitation to Jaka was just an attempt to mock Astoria who had fallen out of favor with Julius. This is the big Event that trigger’s Jaka’s fleeing from Lord Julius and pursuing a life of Art? Seemed a bit anti-climactic to me to find that her desire to avoid embarrassment was the key to her taking that course in life. OTOH, as you guys mused, Jaka DOES reappear, and perhaps this all makes sense in light of what we later learn about her character...

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Posted 11 September 2007 - 06:40 PM

Thanks for the comments Lenny. Along with Pud, there were more questions to be asked - but even at almost 2 hours, we just couldn't get it all in.
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Posted 11 September 2007 - 07:20 PM

I really dig these episodes. I have never read Cerebus. I'm keeping a look out for a phone book at the used book shops. Very informative.
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